tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post7192884896756301010..comments2023-11-03T06:36:27.305-04:00Comments on Phronesisaical: Conservative Approaches to Immigrationhelmuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09069600766378586919noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post-64081056371003646712008-01-11T16:41:00.000-05:002008-01-11T16:41:00.000-05:00Greetings from an individual who has decades of re...Greetings from an individual who has decades of real world experiences in intelligence, investigations, and security along America's Southern Border.<BR/>I have worked security consulting cases and had clients who ignored my advice end up dead. First lesson I learned, always get paid up front as relatives of dead fools are not likely to pay for ignored services.<BR/>As a licensed surveillance intructor my abilites go beyond those of pilgrims who belive that compassion solves all world problems.<BR/>Go to "Google Blog Search" then to "Citizens Passions" review to "Intro" and follow insturction to writesafe.com to review "Are You An American Judas" and FARMER'S SON III: Dreams bonus selection "spy As A Verb" my training manual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post-58266172705805841222008-01-08T03:04:00.000-05:002008-01-08T03:04:00.000-05:00Nothing's easier than getting diverse people to un...Nothing's easier than getting diverse people to unite under a poorly rationalized principle that attracts them for reasons they'd rather not admit. <BR/><BR/>Anyway the law breakers are the employers, who entice foreigners without visas to cross openings in the border when nobody is looking with the prospect of cash, with which they bribe them to occupy positions that people with proper visas or green cards or even native-born citizens of the United States could fill. Allegedly ignorance of the law is no excuse, but speed limits and prohibitions against parking are posted. I doubt many of these foreign enticees ever face a posted notice in English even, let alone their own language, that by accepting money for work of a kind that people engage in openly here and back in their own country they will be breaking a law. It's a dubious practice having special laws of the land just for people from other lands--at least, assuming an egalitarian society. Do we have a law for every land a person might come from? I suspect there's no legal language that strictly and sensibly applies to a Djiboutian who is in Texas without a work permit until that Djiboutian is working. Then suddenly there's pertinent language stating that they're obliged to go to jail or be deported. That would be a mean kind of law.MThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341704109256270557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post-3206734057887556672008-01-07T14:43:00.000-05:002008-01-07T14:43:00.000-05:00I agree that this a small point. Maybe even weak....I agree that this a small point. Maybe even weak. I don't seek legislation in any way, as you said, it is a matter of etiquette. I am one who has to deal with people who don't speak English on a fairly regularly basis, and I do whatever I can to accommodate them, that doesn't bother me. <BR/><BR/>Here is an example of what does (I am aware that it may make me look like quite shallow): I was in McDonald's recently and there was a kitchen full of people and one person taking orders at the counter, one at the drive-thru. The drive-thru and the counter were backed way up, there were 17 people in line inside, 12 in drive-thru. I asked the manager why the girl who stood uselessly in front of the fry vat wasn't taking orders too, he said she didn't speak any english. Nor did anyone else in the kitchen. The kitchen workers weren't terribly busy, the food was going out just fine. So the manager, the guy taking orders in the drive-thru and the guy at the counter were the only ones who spoke english. That is 3 out of 11 people. It took me 20 minutes to buy a coke. Go somewhere else? Yes, in the future, it would have taken me just as long to get a coke somewhere else as it would have for me to stand in that line. Shallow? Yeah, probably.jenhargishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296703012449148875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post-77323047970412589682008-01-07T14:07:00.000-05:002008-01-07T14:07:00.000-05:00Yeah, see, I really don't see how this is a proble...Yeah, see, I really don't see how this is a problem. If I travel abroad and don't already know the language, I try to at least learn a bit so I can communicate and get by. Americans are notorious, however, for demanding that others speak English to them in other countries. So, at best on my understanding, people ought to try to speak the language of the country they're in. But this isn't any moral obligation. It's really only a matter of practicality. But some Americans seem to have turned what is at most a question of etiquette into some kind of profound moral principle. I find this ridiculous. It's especially ridiculous because most of the people making the claim never have to deal with anyone in any significant way who can't speak English.<BR/><BR/>And this is all beside the fact that a pluralistic society such as the US is necessarily going to include different languages.<BR/><BR/>Thus, I don't see what the issue is.helmuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09069600766378586919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14072474.post-80192107840648103682008-01-06T22:21:00.000-05:002008-01-06T22:21:00.000-05:00I consider myself somewhat conservative, however, ...I consider myself somewhat conservative, however, I claim NO party affiliation, no person and certainly no party represents all of my values. Anyway, I am not against immigration or amnesty. My problem is people who don't want to learn English as it relates to me. I know that USA has no official language, so I have no desire to mandate that people learn it, but if someone wants to talk to me, they should know enough English to do it. I realize this can be a controversial opinion, but if I am a guest (which I consider illegal aliens to be) in a non-English speaking person's home, I don't expect them to accommodate me by learning my language. It is my responsiblity to learn their language in their home. <BR/><BR/>If all the good people of Mexico come to the US, then maybe all those American companies who took their jobs to Mexico will bring them back here. I can't be against THAT.jenhargishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296703012449148875noreply@blogger.com